Update from Itch on the ongoing situation
Apparently Itch updated their initial announcement on the ongoing situation yesterday. I was not aware of this, and only became aware because I decided to re-read/re-check the announcement today. For those like me that weren't aware, it's at the same address: https://itch.io/updates/update-on-nsfw-content. Scroll down to the addendum and take a look. My comments below:
1. They claim they mass-delisted because they have less direct info on games due to the laid-back nature of the site, and thus delisting was required pending manual review, unlike Steam.
Fine, whatever.
2. They're currently begging for the right to still exist as a company from payment processors:
"The situation is evolving as we await final determinations from our current payment processors, Stripe and PayPal. There are still unknowns that prevent us from providing a fixed timeline."
That explains what's currently ongoing at least.
3. But the begging is pointless, because it's already over:
"We have suspended the ability to pay with Stripe for 18+ content for the foreseeable future."
This basically means payment for +18 titles is dead on Itch. The only two options are Stripe and Paypal, and Paypal is FAR more skittish. If Stripe's gone, Paypal WILL follow.
4. They're trying to negotiate and set up 18+ friendly processors
"In the meantime, we are actively reaching out to other payment processors that are more willing to work with this kind of content."
Yeah, good luck with that.
Such processors DO exist, SubscribeStar proves as much. However:
1. This will now be credit card ONLY. Kiss any Paypal access goodbye.
2. The downside of "high risk" processors, high risk recievership banks is that some other banks servicing people's cards just...refuse to do business with them because they're icky.
A lot of people don't realize this: it's not just Visa or Mastercard running things. If your bank doesn't want you to buy from a particular vendor, they can just say no. From experience, something like 5% of people with totally valid US cards just...can't do business with SubscribeStar. Likely, buying 18+ on Itch in the future will work the same way.
5. They claim they're not stealing games from people's libraries.
"Pages that are “deindexed” are still accessible if you own them. They have not been removed from your library or collections."
This is a very confusing and convoluted situation.
When No Mercy was first attacked, I bought in on Itch in protest. Its thumbnail is gone in my library, and of course the store page is gone. If I click "Download", there is nothing there to download. HOWEVER, if I do the same for another game that was banned and removed that I own, I can indeed still download the files. Likely, the No Mercy devs voluntarily removed their files after being banned, as they wanted to leave the site for good. This creates confusion however, because they're almost certainly not the only ones doing this. I'm sure a number of creators with banned games turned the downloads off, not considering that this would nuke people's libraries. I myself briefly disabled downloads on GT, because it was the only way to halt new sales. Users then see this and think Itch has removed the game.
The problem here is that the site is poorly designed. A creator shouldn't be able to disable downloads for games ALREADY PURCHASED. That should be a separate entity from the basket of digital goods someone gets when they purchase the game. There should be two separate bins: "The game stuff, as I purchased it" and "the game stuff, as it currently stands". Game creators should be able to ADD to "the game stuff, as I purchased it" as new files are added, but not subtract. But it was likely done this way for the sake of simplicity and to minimize the amount of hosting they would have to do.
6. They claim payouts will not be effected by this
IE, that they will still pay out money collected by creators regardless of whether their games are banned. The claim is that the mention of doing so in their adult policy is for the extreme circumstances of those aggressively abusing the TOS, uploading violating games and attempting to immediately cash out before being caught. They say this won't be applied to ordinary NSFW creators.
"The current situation is a special circumstance. We have no interest in withholding anyone’s earnings."
Great, hope that's true. Seems at least reasonably possible that it is. We'll see.
7. They may aspire to be the UK
"Our immediate focus has been on content classification reviews and implementing stricter age-gating on the site."
It is difficult to imagine any workable "stricter" age gating than what is currently on the site. You already have to be an adult to have a credit card. Itch already does "soft checks" requiring users to attest they're over 18, and requires 18+ games to be properly marked as such in their metadata. There is no "stricter age-gating" other than demanding photo id like every fucking other place on the internet decided to THIS YEAR. If that happens, I'm leaving Itch. I imagine a lot of other people will too.
Overall: When it comes to payment processor structure, I hope they have the balls to become SubscribeStar. Less than ideal, but workable. But probably they'll just become the UK, and then die, just like Tumblr died. This update is a weird mix of good news and complete hopelessness for the situation on this site. But as before, all we can really do is wait and see. At least now I'm no longer dependent on Itch.
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The all "send us your face and document photo to proof of age" is diabolical, i can't see a future were, the same photo and browser history, will leaked to compromise your life or your livelihood, it will not happening, no sir
Gonna be everything too. Discord, X, Wikipedia, Spotify, Apple. Wikipedia and Apple are currently suing the EU over what's going on. In Apple's case they basically said "yes, we would like to be able to peer into your user's devices and accounts whenever, just cause we feel like it. No warrant or anything."
Not about porn. Porn just got swept up in it. It's about total control and surveillance over every aspect of people's lives, so they can root out WrongThink, WrongSpeak and WrongAction.
this is just hypothetical, but throwing it out there anyway flimsy as it is. if itch and steam co-operated think they could pull a dlsite? let me elaborate.
officially you are not supposed to be able to buy dlsite points with paypal... but via some vendors who may or may not be affiliated you can. the ambiguity makes it possible.
steams already got the physical infrastructure with giftcards, japan is not happy with us payment processors attacking them, the collective shout mess collectively put a bullseye on visa and co's recent behavior, japan also has a payment processor in the usa still operational jcb via a discover card deal and they have a usa branch.
my line of thinking is steam setting up "steam points" with a collaboration with itch and other select vendors where they can be exchanged for other "points" to get what you really want, jcb being a forigen payment processor that happens to operate in america (that isnt russian so no russia smear dismissal... i cant believe such a stupid tactic STILL works) would make it somewhat resilient to tactics used by entity's like collective shout...
another spanner in the works is musk, polarizing as he is if he gets x payments off the ground that's another option. if he fails that's an attack vector on the over regulation on the financial sector that gave visa and co their crown. sorry for length partially stream of conscious here.
There are a variety of wacky arrangements that could theoretically be constructed. The least wacky of the wacky would probably, genuinely, be to do something with a stablecoin (ie the ones with a value pegged to the dollar), as crypto, and those specifically have just become MUCH more clear and government approved in a regulatory sense. It's becoming increasingly easy to just buy crypto with a credit card, on ordinary sites and via ordinary companies rather than having to go to some weird part of the internet.
But any wacky system means a lot more work for customers, work most of them aren't interested in. And from a platform perspective, Itch is too poor to be able to, and Steam is too rich to care. They could nuke all their NSFW stuff tomorrow and it wouldn't hurt their bottom line in any significant way.
alright can we get Luigi outta prison and give him another CEO? cause like fuck this lmao
ALL STATEMENTS HERE ARE PARODY AND DO NOT REFLECT THE OPINIONS OR ACTUAL INTENTIONS OF THE COMMENTERS.
That said, boy, sure has been a...two week period, hasn't it?
REPEATING FOR THOSE WONDERFUL PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND AND WORK WITH THE GOVERNMENT, WE COMMENTER'S ARE MERELY TROLLS AND WOULD NEVER SUPPORT SUCH EVIL
yeah I can't believe it's gotten this far this fast lmao. hopefully things get better and if they don't, I'm praying on the downfall of corruption that is TOTALLY not mastercard and visa
I wouldn't actually be so against AI face scans if the companies doing them actually deleted the data instantly after confirming a user's age. So, if there was a hack, the most info caught would be like one or two faces at a time as they would be deleted and processed so fast there would be barely any info. Maybe some sort of encryption which scrambles every minute or so too.
The problem is there's no way to do that. Once you give that info to Itch, or Discord, or X, it's impossible for them to prove they've shredded it, so you have to assume they haven't.
In the case of Itch it's admittedly a little goofy too because if you're buying stuff here, you're ALREADY deanonymized: you have to give your card details, including your name, and those can, at some point, be connected with address, phone number etc. But that's a theoretical correlation of a bunch of data from different sources, necessitating either dual, simultaneous hacks of different companies (itch and Visa) or a warrant. That's a bit different than just having a photo of your ENTIRE DRIVERS LICENSE just sitting on a hard drive somewhere, waiting to be stolen or abused.
But also, this misses the point. This very obviously isn't about protecting children. We're talking about politicians, a group of people notorious for doing you-know-what on a regular basis. The entire point of the like 5 different programs that are in various stages right now is to normalize showing your papers on everything you do. When you shop, when you watch youtube, when you travel, when you do business, when you game online (can't have kids gaming more than x hours a day!) etc. Not in the modest way we already do, but overtly and completely, in one universal system. The political class doesn't like the fact that some of their old tools of control, like the media, are starting to become outdated, so they're implementing new ones, and this is at the head of the pack.
There's no point trying to engineer the privacy violation out of the product, because even if it was possible, the privacy violation IS the product. "Protecting children" is just the marketing campaign.
Oh, absolutely true, and i agree with all your points. This was just kind of a side tangent, or a wish almost for SOME KIND of alternative.