Day 3: Holding Pattern. "Allowing" sales again.
Guess I am still making daily posts for now.
I enabled download for the game for half of yesterday and through the night. Before downloads were disabled, on the night of the shadowban GT was downloaded 100 times. In the middle of the night, on a week night. After I re-enabled it, it was downloaded two hundred more. The period download was disabled doesn't even show up on the traffic graph. I'm glad I was able to help people get their copies up to date.
In the half-a-day-and-a-night that download was enabled, the game also sold five times. This happened despite the game being unlisted, despite a total lack of any network effect (at least on Itch), and despite the bold warning on the main page not to buy it. I'm not mad, this is just an observation. There are positive implications to this. And also worth noting that a lot of those (possibly all) were probably archival attempts from people who had always wanted the game but never got around to buying it off their "buy later" collection or whatever.
To state the obvious, we are on day 3 now and the game is still up. Due to continued demand and continued...non-nuking of me by Itch, I am tentatively removing my request to not buy the game, and the warning on the main page. If you want to buy it here, buy it.
This does not mean things are back to normal. Far from it. This is me putting my hat on a stick and poking it over the waist-high cover to see if it get riddled with bullets. The way I see it, if I continue on here, there is a 50% chance that if I get banned I won't see the money from say, the next month. That might sound bad, but if I keep downloads off there is a 100% chance I won't. The best way to support me is still via SubscribeStar, but I understand that's just not going to happen for many people. And some people just can't be bothered with all this nonsense, and just want to buy horni gaeme. I can't hate them for that.
So we'll see. We'll roll the dice and we'll see.
I anticipate there may be some sentiment of "Well what was the point of the SubscribeStar push then?!" which is understandable, but again, we're not back to normal. All this could still very well collapse tomorrow, or a week from now. But it's been three days, with no further news. A handful of games have been fully banned, but that number doesn't seem to be climbing much. All the big titles I think of when I think Itch NSFW are still up. We're in a holding pattern, and there's no telling how long it lasts. A week? A month? Indefinitely?
I braced for impact and there...wasn't one. Yet. I can still sell the game on Itch. So I'm going to continue to do so.
I would also say that while sales are, amazingly, still good, I don't expect this to last. My pages here have had HUGE traffic right now, understandably. That will eventually drop off again, and when it does, with zero search or recommendation visibility, I expect sales to drop to zero. No way of knowing though, we'll have to see.
In other news, I am probably going to eventually make a Patreon, for those totally unable to support on SubscribeStar. The chances of said patreon running into trouble are high, so once it's up I still urge everyone who wants to support to try SubscribeStar first, and only go over to P if they're denied. It's also less than ideal because I'll probably be doing it with a linked discord like many do, which will make it effectively inaccessible to those in the UK. But they probably wouldn't be able to view the Patreon in the first place.
In other other news, the SubscribeStar is now within 10 subs of hitting the extra 100 goal!Thank you all, and hopefully we can nail that soon.
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Cruel Serenade: GutterTrash
Status | Released |
Author | bitshiftgames |
Genre | Role Playing |
Tags | 2D, Adult, Furry, Gay, hypnosis, NSFW |
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As a UK resident I can access the page and even the purchase options just fine, but if I try and go to your profile page to see what other projects you have, it locks me out with a page saying its complying with UK law. BUT that doesn't appear when I sue a VPN. So make of that what you will.
https://stop-paypros.neocities.org/
Here's a petition link again for thoses interested. (I'm trying to share as much as possible. Don't really have a better weapon against the whole situation anyway...)
Certainly good to collect information.
I'm no legal scholar, but this seems like grounds for a class action based on my, admittedly, very limited understanding of the law. I'd say being held hostage by payment processors harms not only creators, but also consumers and that this situation, and similar ones with Steam, easily satisfy the criteria of numerosity, commonality, typicality, and adequacy of representation.
What law is being violated? Payment processors, currently, have the right to do, or not do, business with anyone, for any reason, as long as it doesn't involve a protected class. And I would actually be fine with that, if they weren't a monopoly. Since they ARE a monopoly, they should be regulated as such, "as a utility" in common language, so that their ability to deny customers is restricted to matters of illegality or credit-worthiness. But they are not currently so-regulated, which means there's no cause. You could maaaybe make a case for tortious interference on Collective Shout's part, interfering with the "contract" users have with Itch, Itch has with Visa, or both. But that would be quite a stretch, and it wouldn't do anything to Visa, just Collective Shout, which would be nice, but mostly a waste of time.
This deserves repetition for emphasis: Nothing Visa is doing here is illegal. It SHOULD be, but it isn't. That's the problem. Imagine if your fucking water or electric or gas could just be shut off because the companies didn't like the porn you jacked off to. Utilities are in special class for a reason.
Okay, this is from Google AI, so take this with a grain of salt, but according to what I've read a company does not have to be in violation of any specific law to be targeted with a class action lawsuit. The minimum standard is that a company must be engaged in practices that have harmed a large number of people.
As well, it is not a prerequisite that the lawsuit be filed on behalf of a protected class unless discrimination is being alleged.
The key prerequisites regardless of protected class status are:
Numerosity: There must be a sufficient number of people affected to make individual lawsuits impractical.
Commonality: The class members must share common legal or factual claims that arise from the same event or course of conduct.
Typicality: The claims of the lead plaintiff (the person who initiates the lawsuit) must be typical of the claims of the rest of the class.
Adequacy of Representation: The lead plaintiff and their attorneys must be capable of fairly and adequately protecting the interests of the entire class.
As I said before, I'd say these actions taken by payment processors easily fit these criteria.
By the by, isn't this whole fiasco violating our rights in the first place?
"Rights" are only real to the extent that you can successfully argue them in a court of law. Visa is a triple digit BILLION dollar international company. No one's in a position to win that court case except the US Government, and that isn't likely to happen. Even worse, a lot of this may stem from the fallout of FOSTA/SESTA, laws put in place in...2009 or so? to allegedly combat sex trafficking that ended up killing dead all kinds of sex related online communities: Craigslist personals, backpage, and pounced.org (only real ones will remember) were nuked outright, and many others including fetlife and tumblr were heavily censored as a result. FOSTA/SESTA aren't DIRECTLY related to the current nonsense as they're more about real actual people, not fiction, but they set a precedent, opening up both payment processors and sites to legal vulnerability. This may seem to contradict what I just said a moment ago, but suing someone because they violated a very clearly defined legal construction, with mountains of evidence, is much easier (and more lucrative), than doing so because they violated "rights" in a nebulous way. No one, unfortunately, has a right to not be debanked. We SHOULD, given the card companies are a monopoly, but we don't.
Fair
I have a random idea. How about we put the NSFW tag on games that aren't NSFW to basically take the whole site down?
There are all kinds of shenanigans that could be played, but they don't really accomplish anything. Despite their less than ideal management of this whole situation, Itch isn't really the problem, or the one that needs to be punished. If people don't like the site anymore, don't trust it etc that's understandable, but the logical step in that case would just be to leave, or disable your game downloads. Simple and to the point.
I can say that as someone in england seemingly not much has changed. Discord and patreon are still fully accessable. Itch has it so if you aren't logged in it asks for a date of birth but nothing stopping anyone from faking it. Funny enough the only thing thats blocked is the 'View all by ______' on itch that is region locked. I don't know why a menu is region locked but, Ehh.
My understanding is that using Discord in the UK now requires full photo verification unless you're using a VPN. Which is a VERY BAD IDEA (the photo id, not the VPN), because those photos, and your history WILL be stored, WILL be hacked and WILL be leaked. Just ask the users of the Tea app, that was supposed to "delete personal info after verification". Yeah, not so much.
Glad you can access things for now though. The censors are well aware of the flimsy "How old are you?" screens though, which is why in both the UK and about 50% of the US now they've made them illegal/not sufficient, and forced websites to demand ID. If there's a "How old are you?" screen now, it probably won't last long if this continues.
Trying to enter any NSFW servers on discord require ID, but nothing is stored after verification. The camera shit is buggy as fuck, with fucked up zoom needing your browser at -50% just to show instructions and no way to actually start the scan or picture. So yay. Good thing i never use discord for that stuff, just for VN updates.
"nothing is stored after verification" It is. Through malice or incompetence, it almost certainly is. Again, Tea hack. And that's far from the first time. The UK government, and/or the private contractors tasked with running this now have possibly the largest blackmail resource ever created. They would have to be complete morons to actually follow through and delete the treasure trove they're being offered.
My understanding is that there's a lot more than Discord to it as well, x for one being completely gutted until you're identified. It's almost a truism at this point to point this out, but this is very obviously about control over a populace, not moral crusading or protecting women or children. But if you're able to navigate it, glad to hear it. We all have to make do with some crazy things atm.
I got Proton just incase. The free version is enough to get past it. It uses something called K-ID to verify things. It's pretty much just an AI that scans the image shown and instantly says yes or no, no data is stored. But it can also be fooled by images off google and shit since its AI. I find it more interesting that other countries want to do it too, like america.
"Interesting" is one word, yes. The one advantage we have over here is that at least it's not a full, national thing: individual states (about half) have passed laws demanding it. So it's a whole patchwork of different rules, systems etc. Which is good, because it makes it more likely to fail in the long term.
As for the tech being used in the UK, I'm not an expert, and I'm not sure the full information on it is out yet anyway. "AI" can also mean many, many things (The simple movement rules for enemies in 90s FPS games were also called "AI"). But if we're talking actual neural-net style AI, it seems unlikely that it's running client-side inside the browser. Especially for people with old systems or ancient smartphones, this would be extremely slow or impossible. Much more likely it's running server-side. And if it is, by definition the images have to leave your system to be processed. If they leave, you're fucked, doesn't matter what they say. But again, a lot of unknowns. Someone would have to analyze the traffic coming out of the browser/discord etc and see what's actually being transmitted.
BUT, regardless, glad you've got a functional VPN up and running. Hilariously, the fallout from this may be that a lot of people finally learn what a VPN is, and why it's important. I'm sure you knew already, but a lot of ordinary people probably have no idea. And once they've learned, they can't unlearn.
I'm very sorry to hear about what you're going through, and I wish I could do more to help. Have you considered starting a Fanbox?
Fanbox is a Pixiv product. Both have been attacked by this same wave of censorship, somewhat earlier, and while there is still adult content there, the terms of what's allowable and what gets you banned have been getting tighter and tighter. I keep tabs on a number of creators over on ci-en, another similar site, and they've been getting crunched as well. DLsite had become so bad that some Japanese creators were dipping their toes in over at Itch. It's bad everywhere. The storm is raging everywhere.
Also, being a Japanese company, there would be complications with membership and funds transfer, the cut they take is sky high, put international transfer fees on top of that, etc. And I'd have to mosaic everything I posted, which...no.